tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951078.post3024264842030807132..comments2024-02-02T05:45:33.724-06:00Comments on Incoming: John Phippshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03245790061133614986noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951078.post-15595013701431325102009-09-10T06:15:49.645-06:002009-09-10T06:15:49.645-06:00This man has already rejected the only solution to...This man has already rejected the only solution to climate change that will actually work. With phrases like "optimal form of government" used to refer to the plutocracies of the US, UK, and other developed countries, "free world" used to refer to the strongholds of capitalism, and "socialist slavery" used to refer to economies that suppress the profit motive and the unrestricted concentration of wealth, he tells me that he has made up his mind to political failure. The most important component of a valid solution is economic shrinkage, which requires economic planning. Capitalism must be rejected as it requires economic growth. To save space please see the introduction to this heresy at http://dematerialism.net/marvdem2.htm:Tom Wayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13722539859652296773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951078.post-47810051942128202332009-09-09T12:45:18.877-06:002009-09-09T12:45:18.877-06:00Good points. I think there is a distinction on lea...Good points. I think there is a distinction on leadership here. It is one thing to lead and show we are committed to change and enacting change while the flip side is lead into a blood bath. Economically speaking, we are needing to compete with China, India, etc. in order to provide incomes and economic growth domestically. If we enact legislation to change something we need to think what the unintended consequences would be. Horse slaughter is still my best example. If you want to rid the world of horse slaughter (which I support horse slaughter) outlawing it here while the plants reopened in Mexico obviously was not the answer. If we shut down industries and they move overseas to a land where they can continue production and those products are still purchased, we create a lose-win rather than the win-win we should always be seeking.<br /><br />I still think global warming is a red herring, but I also think we need to be conscious of our actions in order not to create a situation that is potentially harmful. This, like most debates currently going on, is not an easy answer or quick fix. Time, study, and thought is much needed here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951078.post-1423135206638492352009-09-09T11:29:38.944-06:002009-09-09T11:29:38.944-06:00anon:
Your words essentially echo Bailey's (w...anon:<br /><br />Your words essentially echo Bailey's (we can't afford any answer) and Manzi's (we don't have the political ability domestically or globally). Ergo: no, we can't.<br /><br />I try to include the best examples of positions other than my own. I hope these excerpts are useful for your efforts to understand. I'll try to include some of the predictions the auto/power industry made before the CAA & CWA too. Such doomsaying is a pretty familiar persuasion tactic.<br /><br />One demurral, however. Perhaps it's time we stopped thinking of ourselves as the leader of the globe if we won't budge until China does. It is interesting to note they are making a huge investment in nuclear power (post soon). It's a long shot, but what if China does negotiate in good faith? would you then point to India? Indonesia?<br /><br />There is a risk in leading, and perhaps we are too risk averse for this role anymore.John Phippshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03245790061133614986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27951078.post-76733359967947884632009-09-09T08:36:04.474-06:002009-09-09T08:36:04.474-06:00John,
I attended the rally in Springfield and the...John,<br /><br />I attended the rally in Springfield and the one item that was not mentioned at all was paying producers for conservation efforts. Rather, the focus of every speaker offered the stage was the impact of higher costs and how those would impact the bottom line. Robert Murray, he owns coal mines, was by far the best speaker of the day and made a very emotional plea indicating how the impact of cap and trade would hurt his company and employees. Jean Payne of the Il Fert and Chemical Assoc. was equally as good pointing out that domestic fertilizer supplies would almost disappear resulting in more imports and reliance on foriegn inputs- especially nations who do not have this legislation.<br /><br />I don't want to hear any producers looking to profit from this bill and I hope that element is pulled away. What we need to hear is how this bill could hurt agriculture, manufacturing, retail, frankly everyone as we look at the potential for increases in energy costs, material costs, and living expenses. Besides, like with the horse slaughter ban those stopping horse slaughter in the US did not stop horse slaughter and consumption worldwide, it just moved to another location, and that will happen here. If we cap emissions in the US fine, but those emissions will come from somewhere else and that is an element we cannot control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com